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T O P I C R E V I E WjabonTime magazine interesting article: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480984,00.html ScottYES!! Please say it's true! Gordon ReadeBack during the ASTP when the Americans told the Russians that the flight would be the last use of the Apollo spacecraft the Russians would not believe them. They said, "You built it and it works really well. You can't expect us to believe that you're not going to continue flying it."I know that this is a true story.DannoThe idea is to re-design an Apollo-type capsule and launch it on a man-rated EELV.If NASA man-rates both the Delta 4 and Atlas 5 they could really move alot of people around in space, but the lead time for one of those boosters is about 18 months, I believe.NASA really needs a focus.Sy Liebergot quote:Originally posted by Gordon Reade:Back during the ASTP when the Americans told the Russians that the flight would be the last use of the Apollo spacecraft the Russians would not believe them. They said, "You built it and it works really well. You can't expect us to believe that you're not going to continue flying it."I know that this is a true story.Gordon,I know the following is true since I was there as the Lead EECOM Flight Controller on ASTP. Here is an excerpt from my autobiography:"We had splashed down and the Russians had thumped down; the ”locals” gathered at the JSC Gilruth Recreation Center for a post-flight cocktail party. I stood in a circle of a mixture of Americans and Russians making small talk. One of the Russian engineers asked me what we were going to do next. I replied, “We are going to weld the factory doors shut, disperse the engineering team, and start all over in five years with the Shuttle”, which has since bee characterized as an Apollo-era obituary. He declared us crazy, since they planned to launch six more times before year’s end. I acknowledged the correctness of his observation, replying that it was simply how we did things in the U.S. The Russians pragmatically are still launching the same booster designs while we continue to pursue new, highly technical and increasingly expensive rocket designs." Best,Sy LiebergotHawkmanRecently, The History Channel ran a Space Shuttle episode of it's "Modern Marvel" series. It was very telling when Story Musgrave said that he would have preferred a safer way to go into space "like Mercury, Gemini or Apollo".[This message has been edited by Hawkman (edited September 12, 2003).]mziegThe scenario outlined in the Time article reminded me of Buzz Aldrin's book "Encounter with Tiber". The story goes like this: After a shuttle accident that takes the lives of several crew members and destroys the shuttle (the next shuttle lost after Challenger), NASA searches for a stop-gap shuttle replacement. "Using an enlarged Apollo II capsule, with it's strong reminder of NASA's glory days, was about as close to a public relations winner as NASA could manage at the time"(page 42). "Thus part three of the commission's report, to buy Apollo IIs as a temporary vehicle for supplementary missions, could be sold-and was sold-as 'bringing Apollo back home'" (page 44).A case of life imitating art.Robert PearlmanWhen will the first contractor model arrive on eBay? http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cfm?image_id=7192&release=t http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cfm?image_id=7193&release=t http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cfm?image_id=7195&release=t http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cfm?image_id=7196&release=t
I know that this is a true story.
If NASA man-rates both the Delta 4 and Atlas 5 they could really move alot of people around in space, but the lead time for one of those boosters is about 18 months, I believe.
NASA really needs a focus.
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Reade:Back during the ASTP when the Americans told the Russians that the flight would be the last use of the Apollo spacecraft the Russians would not believe them. They said, "You built it and it works really well. You can't expect us to believe that you're not going to continue flying it."I know that this is a true story.
Gordon,I know the following is true since I was there as the Lead EECOM Flight Controller on ASTP. Here is an excerpt from my autobiography:"We had splashed down and the Russians had thumped down; the ”locals” gathered at the JSC Gilruth Recreation Center for a post-flight cocktail party. I stood in a circle of a mixture of Americans and Russians making small talk. One of the Russian engineers asked me what we were going to do next. I replied, “We are going to weld the factory doors shut, disperse the engineering team, and start all over in five years with the Shuttle”, which has since bee characterized as an Apollo-era obituary. He declared us crazy, since they planned to launch six more times before year’s end. I acknowledged the correctness of his observation, replying that it was simply how we did things in the U.S. The Russians pragmatically are still launching the same booster designs while we continue to pursue new, highly technical and increasingly expensive rocket designs." Best,Sy Liebergot
[This message has been edited by Hawkman (edited September 12, 2003).]
A case of life imitating art.
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